Lyrics-Gopala Gokula Vallabe

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#1  Postby viggop » 15 Jun 2005 15:38

I have heard this song sung by Bombay Jayashree in musicindiaonline.com
Can someone post the lyrics here?Also, in what ragam is the song sung?
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#2  Postby cmlover » 16 Jun 2005 02:40

gOpAla gOkula vallabhI.

gOpAla gOkula vallabhI priya gOpa gOsuta vallabham
caraNAravindam aham bhajEvajanIya suramuni durlabam

ghana shyAma kAmanIkachabhi lOkAbhirAma manOharam
kinjalaka vasana kishOra mUruta pUri guNa karuNAkaram

kaca kuTila sundara tilakabru-rAgAmayanga samAnanam
apa haraNa tulasidAsa prAsa viharavindArAnanam

Since this is a Tulsidas Bhajan I do not know the Raga!
Could you post the link for Bombay Jayasree rendering.
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#3  Postby meena » 16 Jun 2005 03:28

viggop/cml
Lji has posted the lyrics/raga on hubportal
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3788
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#4  Postby viggop » 16 Jun 2005 10:47

cmlji

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/1/s/a ... rtist.103/

Search for "Gopala Gokula" after clicking the above link.Lakshmanji believes it is a Hindustani ragam called "kAmOd"
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#5  Postby cmlover » 16 Jun 2005 20:30

Thanks
I listened to the song and thought it had shades of Yamunaa Kalyani but since I am least familiar with HM ragas I do defer to Lakshman's expert judgement. I also found that he is almost right after listening to
http://www.sawf.org/audio/kamod/jha_kamodspeak.ram

I wonder whether coolkarni could pass a final verdict :D
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#6  Postby Lakshman » 16 Jun 2005 23:52

cmlover: When I first listened to it, I too thought it had shades of yamankalyAn. Also hamIr and gauDsArang. But I opted for kAmOd because it was the closest. I may still be wrong.
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#7  Postby coolkarni » 18 Jun 2005 07:24

I am not able to listen to the song on Musicindiaonline.
i keep getting error messages.
Not that it woul have helped.I am so hopelessly stuck between various ragas and systems.
But i Have some evidence here to base your verdicts on ..
ALL THESE ARE THREE MINUTE CLIPS.

Kamod as sung by DV paluskar-such a tragedy he died at 36
http://rapidshare.de/files/2454390/DV_p ... d.mp3.html

next as sung by Narayanrao vyas (disciple of Paluskar senior -Vishnu Digambar).Vishnu Digambar Paluskar left a very young DVP in charge of Naraynrao before dying.His story of spreading HM in North India-from Lahore to Bihar is a fascinating one ! was a strong believer that HM had to ride piggy back on devotional music if it had to survive and spread among the masses.

http://rapidshare.de/files/2454433/Nara ... d.mp3.html

then the one by Narayanrao's son Vidyadhar Vyas.
Download-Link: http://rapidshare.de/files/2454854/Vidy ... d.mp3.html

a lec-dem type of track by sura guha
http://rapidshare.de/files/2454556/Subr ... d.mp3.html

and lastly and echo from a distant past

http://rapidshare.de/files/2454521/Gang ... d.mp3.html

Gangubai in one of her interview admits that for the first batch of discs she cut ,she was not paid anything.The recording chap used to come to india from London once a year and would stay for 2 months at a stretch.AND ALL THESE STALWARTS WOULD BE WAITING IN A GROUP WAITING FOR DATES , IN BOMBAY.THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN MONEY , IF NECESSARY, TO SEE THEIR VOICES ON DISCS.such was the attraction of being recorded.
puts all the present talk of copyrights etc in a different perspective.

and since i am eternally confused between shyam kalyan and kamod , i see no reason why the rest of you should be spared.

here is a gem of a bhajan from MSG -barse badariya.

http://rapidshare.de/files/2454911/msg- ... n.mp3.html
I AM STILL IN SEARCH OF A 50 MINUTE RENDERING OF MSG -FEATURING SHYAM KALYAN- AT SASTRI HALL-CHENNAI- IN 1987 OR 88
strangely this is my entire stock of Kamod.
More strangely, except for subra guha , all the rest come from the same school....
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#8  Postby Lakshman » 18 Jun 2005 19:29

coolkarni:
I have sent you two audio clips by Bombay Jayashree. The second one is gOpAla gOvind. Here is the link for it. The file is available for 7 days.
http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3SHI ... IQW8CQ902F
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#9  Postby coolkarni » 18 Jun 2005 22:17

Lakshmanji,
many Thanks.
i was confused.had to call in my expert friends.
they added to the confusion by saying that there is a hint of maanjh khamaj as well(apart from hameer and sarang)

after listening to venkateshklumars rendering in shyam kalyan, we concluded that it is closest to shyam kalyan

here is 4 minute drut composition

http://rapidshare.de/files/2466084/Venk ... 2.mp3.html

and an extract from the vilambith portion where he sings swaras
http://rapidshare.de/files/2466172/Venk ... 3570863923
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#10  Postby viggop » 21 Jun 2005 18:11

Coolkarniji
so the raga which was sung by BombayJayashree is shyam kalyan?
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#11  Postby coolkarni » 21 Jun 2005 20:00

must admit that Bombay jaisree has not sung a pure raga here.This is one of the problems in identifying ragas in bhajans .Gets worse when people sing ghazals.


Maybe I can try and ask her directly, since I see her often, when I go to pick up my son from school !

so if you have to give only one name , the closest would be Shyam Kalyan, i guess.

CML... the next time you put me up as the third umpire, i hope it is one of the yaman,malkauns,darbari varieties.. :lol:
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#12  Postby cmlover » 21 Jun 2005 20:14

ha ha!

You want an easy assignment :D

Do HM folks have the same obsession with identifying the raga as we in CM do? But then what do they do with those myriads of misra stuff :D
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#13  Postby Lakshman » 21 Jun 2005 21:08

That is the beauty of the word 'mishra'. If you cannot exactly place a rAgA and it 'sounds' like a particular rAgA name it as mishra kAmOd or mishra shyAmkalyAn etc!
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#14  Postby coolkarni » 21 Jun 2005 23:25

cml.
i have started looking up all the misra- renderings.
if this starter song was any indication, i am sure we will have our hands full for years, trying to identify the ragas.

Just wondering whether a poorly sung raga can also qualify for a misra-raga. :lol:
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#15  Postby cmlover » 22 Jun 2005 00:12

Lakshman

is it a fact that when performers are not sure about a new kriti while rendering, they use 'mishra' as escapism? I know film music use it all the time with impunity:D Are there any mishra raga kritis in the Trinity compositions?
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#16  Postby Lakshman » 22 Jun 2005 00:36

What I really meant to say was that there are rAgAs like pIlU, shivranjani, mAND, khamAj etc that have set ArOha/avarOha but when you add in notes that normally do not occur in the rAgA, then they become mishra. It is something similar to bhAShanga rAgA in CM, though in a bhASAnga rAgA the number of additional notes are limited I think. I have heard HM renderings where several rAgAs brought in with pIlU or khamAj or mAND and so they become mishra rAgAs. Hope it is a little clear.
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#17  Postby cmlover » 23 Jun 2005 02:17

The glossary
http://www.santoor.com/glossary.html
defines mishra as:
MISHRA: Mixed. When a raga is mixed with another or more of other ragas it is called a Mishra raga.
whereas a bhashanga raga in CM is where 'anya' swaras (alien to the melakarta) are introduced. Hence I believe mishra is much stronger than being a bhashanga raga. I even wonder whether it is even permitted in CM whereas HM freely admit them. I do seek some clarifications from the CM perspective.
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#18  Postby nnramya » 28 Jun 2005 11:31

Dear All,
I have learnt this song "Gopala gokula vallabhi". There are few corrections in the lyrics, atleast according to what I have learnt!

I have it from a very good source (sishya of Dr. BMK) , whom I have learnt it from, that this song has been tuned by Dr. M. Balamuralikrishna based on the Hindustani raga Shyam Kalyan (or Chaaya naat). Whether they are similar, I dont know as I dont have much knowledge of Hindustani Ragas. Although I can get clarification for this.

Also, since there is no equivalent raga in Carnatic music, Dr. BMK has named it as "Vallabhi" ragam, a word which appears in the first line of the song.

It is a very beautiful song indeed! And he has tuned it so beautifully!

Regards,
Ramya.
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#19  Postby Lakshman » 28 Jun 2005 19:31

Would you please post your version of the lyrics? Thanks.
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#20  Postby Lakshman » 28 Jun 2005 19:38

>this song has been tuned by Dr. M. Balamuralikrishna based on the Hindustani raga Shyam Kalyan (or Chaaya naat). Whether they are similar, I don't know<
shyamakalyANi and vallabhi are different rAgAs. Here are the scales:
shyAmakalyANi (mELA 65)-SRGMPNS/SNPDPMGRS (Nadamuni Panditar)
vallabhi (mELA 29)-SRGMPDNS/SNDNDPMPGMRS (BMK)
There is another shyAmakalyANi under mELA 12: SRGMPDNS/SNPDPMGRS (Nadamuni Panditar)
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#21  Postby chithra » 29 Jun 2005 10:49

From what I know, CM tries to retain the purity of its ragams by not permitting extraneous notes. Even in bhashanga ragams (like Kambhoji), the prayoga of the Anya swaram is strictly delineated, and many such Bhashanga Raagams may be rendered without even including phrases that include the Anya Swaram, but with no loss to the raga bhavam.

Hindusthani music, with its plethora of misra ragams, leaves even its artists wondering at times. You are then forced to not attempt to hang every Alaap on a Raga peg, but enjoy it for its musical worth and scope.
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#22  Postby nnramya » 29 Jun 2005 22:38

gOpAla gOkula vallabhI.

gOpAla gOkula vallabhI priya gOpa gOsuta vallabham
caraNAravindam aham bhajE bhajanIya suramuni durlabham

ghana shyAma kAma aneka chabhi lOkAbhirAma manOharam
kinjalka vasana kishOra mUruti bhUri guNa karuNAkaram

Sir kEki pincha vilOla kunDala aruna vanaruha lOchanam
kunjAvatamse vichItre sab anga dhAtu bhava bhaya mochanam

kaca kuTila sundara tilaka bhu-rAkA mayanka samAnanam
apaharaNa tulasidAsa trAsa vihara brindA kAnanam

There is an extra charanam. I hope I have split the words properly! :-)

Regarding the Shyamkalyani, Vallabhi doubt, let me see if I can get it clarified!

Thanks Lakshmanji!
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#23  Postby Lakshman » 01 Jul 2005 03:36

nnramya: I think there are minor errors in your version. Here is the corrected text.

gOpAla gOkula vallabhI priya gOpa gOsuta vallabham
caraNAravindam aham bhajE bajanIya suramuni durlabam
ghana shyAma kAma anEkacabhi lOkAbhirAma manOharam
kinjalka vasana kishOra mUruti pUri guNa karuNAkaram
shira kEkibiccha vilOla kuNDala aruNa vanaruha lOcanam
kunjAvatamsha vicitra sab anga dhAtu bhava bhaya mOcanam
kaca kuTila sundara tilakabru-rAgAmayanga samAnanam
apa haraNa tulasidAsa prAsa vihara brndA kAnanam
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#24  Postby nnramya » 02 Jul 2005 23:56

Thankyou Lakshmanji for the corrections.
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#25  Postby megha » 22 Apr 2006 22:25

can you please give me the lyrics of " o raghuveera "-raaga-desh
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