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#51  Postby Enna_Solven » 06 May 2011 18:51

Thank you akellaji.
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#52  Postby cmlover » 06 May 2011 20:34

Ravikiran
Dr.S. Bagyalakshmi in her book' Lakshana granthas in Music' refers to the grantha Naradasiksha authored by Narada ~2000 years ago subsequent to Bharata. The book must be available in libraries or you can contact her at Trivandrum. She also refers to two works Naradeeyam, svararnavam by Narada but suggests that the two Naradas may be different.
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Re: Oothukkadu Venkata kavi - a pre trinity composer?

#53  Postby mannari » 07 May 2011 02:30

dear enna solven , thanks for providing me the analyses which has made this topic even more interesting. I think lot of people unwittingly contribute to the already rich compositions of great vaggeyakaras, when it was not called for. Lot of such compositions could be cited eg: Ye mani pogaadudhu in thodi for Shri Thyagaraja Swamy and similar additions for Shri Purandara dasa et al. These have been detected by musicologists and experienced musicians through the analyses of original vaggeyakara's style or rather methodology of writing. May be we should wait for an analyst to indicate in the compositions of Shri OVK both original and those contributed by his fans,( pin pointing the errors in compositions, which could not have been done by original vaggeyakaara ) pupil or anyone , as those in the case of trinities and other great personalities , so that senior pro like Shri MSAkella, Shri Nedanuri , Shri Balamurali or some musicologist of the caliber of Sri Sambashivan or 'Knew all , forget none" Avadhaanis of the caliber Shri Ganesh et al . could decide on this issue on our request
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#54  Postby satyabalu » 07 May 2011 05:03

CM lover!could you get her contact mail/address ?Is the book a :) vailable for sale in English language? THQ for the information.You are also welcome to share in your own style as to the contents /salient features covered.
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#55  Postby cmlover » 07 May 2011 05:18

Contact:
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The book is in English with profuse sanskrit quotes...
very interesting anthology, but not very relevant to the discussions on OVK here...
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Re: Oothukkadu Venkata kavi - a pre trinity composer?

#56  Postby hamsaa » 07 May 2011 07:12

The posts above have proved to be very interesting and informative. However, the last few posts of Mr Shastry have degenerated considerably and his disparaging statements no longer lend credlbility to his apparent objectivity in his first post. It would benefit everyone if Mr Shastry limits himself to coherent responses to issues under the light.

1. Mr Shastry has claimed that Thyagaraja followed Swararnava. He has not mentioned the period of this treatise and nor given a list of ragas that have been listed in this publication., though he has claimed to have read it. I request him to fill this blank.

2. Mr Akella , who claims to be a responsible guru, musician, author has mixed up periods of all the composers he mentioned in this thread. He says Arunagirinathar came after Trinity. But he claims that music degenerated fromSarangadeva! Even Tyagaraja has revered Sarangadeva, Purandara Dasa and the likes. If Mr Akella says progress in laya and tala as dilution, one can only wonder if it is a case of sour grapes. Is he the self-appointed authority on what is proper and improper from Sarangadeva's times?!

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He quotes shri semmangudi srinivasa iyer and says OVK is on par with Trinity .But it will not be wise on our part consider that as a basis to compare him with trinity (with all due respect to shri semmangudi ). Some recent composers hold titles like ‘abhinava tyagaraja’ etc which doesn’t mean that they are on par with Shri Tyagaraja.


The above point of Mr Shastry proves most illogical and irreverential to me, being a great fan of the legendary Shri Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer. First of all, Semmangudi is hardly giving himself a self-certificate in this context, as wrongly portrayed by Mr Shastry. When a person with 80 years of performing, teaching and tuning experience like Semmangudi says that OVK is on par with trinity, it is the professional opinion of a seasoned expert, considered to be a legend in Carnatic music. Is Mr Shastry trying to match Semmangudi's musicianship or repertoire (of close to 2000 compositions) to refute a master's judgement and ask others to 'not accept' Semmangudi?
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#57  Postby Pratyaksham Bala » 07 May 2011 08:52

srikanthamshastry:

Why don't you express your regrets for having made such sweeping comments (in post #39) on a respectable fellow member Shri Ponbhairai, who has been making immense contributiton to promote Carnatic Music since 1982.

And why can't you withdraw those comments?

Your outburst only underlines how hastily you arrive at conclusions. With this exposure if we read your posts how much credibility should we give to your writings/claims?
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#58  Postby srikanthamshastry » 07 May 2011 09:33

Hamsaji,Iam not degrading Semmangudi, no body can do.I like his music perhaps than you.He is a musician ,not a musicologist.He himself told once when he wrote a introduction to my book Asesha padmanabha samputa.his judgement will be a emotional one than a realistic historians.we have so many questions about ovks history, his judgement should be cleared there also .we respect elders,but ,for 'pratyaksha'also there should be a' pramaana'.even for 'veda vaakyam,needs pramaana;It applies to all ,including me,you &even semmangudi;If it is a truth we can have a upadesham from(baalaadapi,shukaadapi). our upanishads always says to question first;have a satisfactorial answers. Being a srividya upaasaka, i consider this as my bhagavathi's pooja.......,very shortly i will proove ovk is not on par with trinity.regarding ponbhairvi,I dont have any 'shatrutvam'; all musicians,rasikas are daiva swaroopam only ;my salutations to each &everybody.
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#59  Postby Pratyaksham Bala » 07 May 2011 10:08

srikanthamshastry wrote: ... regarding ponbhairvi,I dont have any 'shatrutvam'; all musicians,rasikas are daiva swaroopam only ;my salutations to each &everybody.

Thanks.

srikanthamshastry wrote:... very shortly i will proove ovk is not on par with trinity.

This has no relevance to the heading of the thread.
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#60  Postby vasanthakokilam » 07 May 2011 10:18

srikanthamshastry wrote:very shortly i will proove ovk is not on par with trinity.

The discussion in this thread has been fascinating. We all love the works of Trinity and OVK and any such comparison of who is on par with whom is not going to serve any purpose in this thread. It will only distract from the topic. Let us keep it to the topic at hand, namely the period of OVK. Thanks.
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#61  Postby chitravina ravikiran » 07 May 2011 10:58

Rasikas will recall that I had been candid about my non-expertise about Srividya practices in my earlier posts. But over the last couple of days, I had the opportunity to discuss some of the queries raised here with some experts. I have highlighted below the feedback I received from them, with special relevance to OVK's Navavaranams.

1. Kaadi, Saadi and Haadi practices are indeed distinct in some details.

2. Though debates have raged about the merits and otherwise of each form, many people have had more than one guru and followed more than one school of thought. Therefore several times, practice overlaps are a reality.

3. Though Srividya worship itself has been highly open and liberal in approach (even to the extent of having a guru who was lower caste than the sishya), within each marga, a practitioner is either conservative or liberal. Conservatives (just like in other spheres) have their own opinions about certain things/practices/methods which could be at sharp deviance from others. But this is not treated as the only way.

4. The definition and concept of 'leaking' also could vary from person to person, school to school.

5. Scholars further contend that OVK has not 'leaked' beejaksharas any more than anyone else - say Dikshitar (who has also referenced beejaksharas in krtis like Srikamalambikayam (Sahana) or the beejakshara filled Shree rajarajeshwareem (Madhyamavati).

6. Most importantly, none of us know whether OVK or Dikshitar ever intended these compositions to be rendered in general concerts by artistes. It is more likely that they only conceived of these as part of their personal/family worship. And the songs have later percolated to the concert stage because enthusiastic artistes saw immense melodic/rhythmic value in these compositions.

7. If one were to cite either OVK or Dikshitar for leaking, what would one label Bhaskara Raya himself, who wrote elaborate bhashyas on the subject, which necessarily mentioned the beejaksharas? To sum it up, any opinions about leaking are retrospecive, subjective and speculative.
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#62  Postby chitravina ravikiran » 07 May 2011 11:03

Sreenadh ji: I am glad you found the references you were looking for even before I responded. I will update all of you if I get fresh information on the subject.

CML sir: Thanks for the reference to Naradashiksha. This was perhaps another book that Prof SRJ was alluding to. Dr Bhagyalakshmi has done steller work in compiling information about such publications. It is of course clear that none of the Naradas who are credited with having authored any of these books are any relation to the celestial sage.

(On a personal note, thank you for your kind sentiments about my Ramayana. As I am still touring, I have asked a disciple to post the lyrics as soon as they are typed and formatted.)
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#63  Postby msakella » 07 May 2011 13:23

Even though this is off the topic of this thread I am compelled to write this following rejoinder.

hamsaa,
Even though I have very clearly mentioned that I am not at all worried about the periods but about the dilution made by the scholars in my post dated 06-05-2011 at 13:49 you have posted your comment on 07-05-2011 at 07:12 accusing me of mixing up the periods. Is it nice on your part, dear?

Yes, I, in the name of the Almighty, very proudly claim that I am a responsible Guru, responsible musician and responsible author of all times.

As I sincerely and dutifully feel the responsibility of the Guru, I have given-up the lucrative aritist-field right from the date of my retirement, I have myself brought out my incapacities publicly even through ‘The Hindu (08-01-2010)’, and strived hard in the extensive research of finding a more-reliable, time-bound, result-oriented system in teaching music, unlike any other musician on earth.

As I also feel the responsibility of an elderly-musician I have given-up the lucrative aritist-field right from the date of my retirement, strived hard in the extensive research of finding a more-reliable, time-bound, result-oriented system in teaching music and been propagating it, mostly even without expecting any monetary benefit from the true aspirants, unlike any other musician or music-teacher on earth.

As I also sincerely feel the responsibility of an author, I have spent four decades of my precious life in the extensive research of the un-solved topic, Talaprastara and brought out three books, Talaprastara Ratnakara, Talaprastara of Nisshanka Sharngadeva’s Sangita Ratnakara-a critical interpretation and Systematisatiion of Prastara details of Deshi Talas and three books, Sangita Svararaga Sudha (along with one mp3 CD), Sangita Vidya Bodhini (along with three mp3 CDs) and Sangita Vidya Lochani (along with two mp3 CDs), in total six books among which each one is of its own kind, unlike any other author of books on music on the globe.

If you want to know the full details in which way Sharngadeva had diluted and mis-interpretted the Talaprastara you can go through the three books on Talaprastara which are available in the Carnatic Music Book Centre, Chennai. If you can prove that he did not dilute or mis-interpret the topic, Talaprastara, I shall pay you ten-lakhs of rupees but, on the condition that you have to pay me five-lakhs of rupees if you can’t. amsharma
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#64  Postby Pratyaksham Bala » 07 May 2011 18:21

srikanthamshastry wrote:... 'pratyaksha'also there should be a' pramaana ...

Please give the meaning so that everyone can understand what you say.

srikanthamshastry wrote:... baalaadapi,shukaadapi ...

Again, please post the full sloka with its meaning, name of author and the book.
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#65  Postby hamsaa » 07 May 2011 18:24

1. He is a musician ,not a musicologist.He himself told once when he wrote a introduction to my book Asesha padmanabha samputa.his judgement will be a emotional one than a realistic historians.


Mr Shastry, your emotional reply shows that you are jumping to post without analysing what is being said. Music is about experience , rasa anubhava. Not dry theory, grammar and bookish knowledge, which is useful only to some extent. Semmangudi sir's statement 'OVK is on par with trinity', is not just emotional. Everyone knows that he was one of the most intellectual artistes of our times. He was just being polite to you, out of his own humility. But his performing record, experience, repertoire of a wide range of Carnatic music's greatest composers, quality of musicianship, teaching experience, makes him a far better judge of quality of a composer like OVK than all the books anyone can quote.

2. we have so many questions about ovks history


Evidently you have not noticed that Shri Ravikiran has answered almost all questions you raised. It is your turn to answer the questions that others have raised, including me! You have not done that so far.

3. very shortly i will proove ovk is not on par with trinity


This clearly exposes your true agenda behind starting this thread !!
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#66  Postby cmlover » 07 May 2011 19:28

Let us be objective and rational rather than 'ad hominems' and focussing on personalities.
Our contributions and investigations will be valuable if we add 'facts' as we know or can find out.
Sri Ravikiran as the lead investigator will be able to integrate the facts and sift them out objectively for the benefit of CM History.
This is an important historical topic on CM. Let it not degenerate into personal squabbles.
Thank you...
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#67  Postby mannari » 08 May 2011 01:35

dear cmlover, i dont think any one is indulged in personal squabbles. On the other hand, one should appreciate the vehement arguments of every music lovers like leading writers on this topic including and upto Hamsa including yourself. The entry of msakella et al is only bonus as his experience is par our imagination. ( I have seen him giving a stupendous demonstration on music teaching methodology at Madras music accademy last year, wherein he was introduced as having over 5 decades of experience as high level pro both in performance and teaching. which i think exceeds the age of both sri Ravikiran and sri Shasthri ). Let us see what Sri Shasthri ( " i have done some research on ovks compositions,& its chandas, shabda prayoga,yathi, prasa, vadi etc..,&same will be shared here in future.thanking you all," Srikantham nagendra shastry) Till such time no one need come to any conclusion like Hamsa ( This clearly exposes your true agenda behind starting this thread !!
hamsaa) as I said earlier any musicologist of proven class and stature may decide after analyzing both the findings. Till such time I wish you all a happy observations . enjoy the debate ! Enna Solven go ?
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#68  Postby Enna_Solven » 08 May 2011 02:28

mannari wrote: enjoy the debate ! Enna Solven go ?

:grin:
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#69  Postby msakella » 08 May 2011 06:53

Dear mannari, Yes, what you wrote is absolutely true. Our responsible duty is only to bring out or arrive at or to give flawless material to the posterity unlike some of our ancestors but not for personal squabbles at all. Thank you. amsharma
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#70  Postby srikanthamshastry » 08 May 2011 10:45

Hi,

Let me, first of all, make it clear that none of my comments are personal and I never intended to harm anyone's feelings. My fight is and always will be against those ideas which initiated as rumours and got accepted as facts over the course of time without any substantiation. Let me re-assert here that all my comments are backed by proofs which I'm always ready to share with others. Again, I see many posts asking for my reply. I don't think I have left any questions unanswered. And if there is any, I'm sorry to miss those and is ready to answer them if any of you point it out to me.

I don't want to repeat my points but OVK is in no way related to Bhaskara Raya. I challenge all those people who claimed otherwise hitherto to prove me wrong if they can.The lineage of Bhaskara Raya is very well documented. His guru parampara is also well known. And no where, in any of these books, the name of OVK is found. Also, for a srividya upasaka, his guru is everything. It is really astounding and baffling to note that a composer who has penned more than 800 compostions (as many claim) never paid his tribute or even mentioned the name of his guru.

I still stand by my statement that OVK is not at par with the trinities. Here, I'm forced to present the reasons why I said so in the form of analysis of a few kritis. (Ofcourse the work OVK has done to spread carnatic music, if any, can never be compared to that of trinities. Also, his lineage, if present, is no where to that of trinities by any standards.)

Prologue (those who already know these, please excuse me): Sarngadeva in his work sangitaratnakara mentions four types of vaggeyakaras: uthama, madhyama, adhama and kuttikkara. Those who compose both maatu (lyrics) and dhaatu (music) simultaneously are considered as great composers. But even these composers are to follow certain rules. All the great composers from purandara dasa, kanaka dasa, etc. to present day composer Dr. Balamuralikrishna have followed these rules in all their musical and literary works. Some of the must follow rules are given below:

1) Stanzas or padams should not have odd number of lines excluding one, ie, it can have one line, two lines or four lines etc.

2) Prasa: There are so many prasas which are used commonly to add beauty to the kavya. But there is one prasa which is a must in literary works, dwitiyakshara prasa. In this, the second letter of the first word in every should be the same. The composers' brilliance is evident by his usage of totally different words having different meanings but with the second letter repeating in every line. All the great composers (musicians and poets) have followed this rule. It is clear from a first look into all the compositions(eeshwara kavi says in kavijivha bandhanam as a composition without dvithiyakshara prasam is equivalent to a body without life). The dwitiyaksharaprasam is maintained in pallavi-anu pallavi and then in charanam a different letter can be used for the prasam. Even this was a relatively modern practice approx. from the period of trinity. Before that, the whole prabandham was to follow a single aksharam for dwitiyakshara prasam. Eg: Veena Padmanabhayya's Saakethadhipam Bhavaye in shudha velavali.Only some of the post trinity composers did the odd avarthanams, prasabhangam. So, this also indicates that OVK is a post trinity composer.

Analysis of OVK's ganesha dhyanam in shanmukhapriya:
The lyrics of OVK navavaranams are available at http://carnatica.net/lyrics/ooth9.pdf

In the pallavi itself the dwitiyakshara prasam is broken. The first words in pallavi are sriganesha and srividyopasana... But in anupallavi it is again maintained for sriganesha by the words yagayoga and ragarahita but in the madhyamakala sahityam it is again lost. In charanam, it is maintained upto the first line of madhyamakalam from where a totally different akshara takes the second place.
Compare it with dikshitar's composition saraswati manohari (http://sahityam.net/wiki/Sarasvati_Manohari) which is also having a madhyamakala in pallavi. But the dwitiyakshara prasa is beautifully maintained by dikshitar by the words sarasvati, sarasiruhakshi, and murahara and in charanam it is maintained by akara, prakasa, prakalpita and vikalpa...

Moving on to the language part, sandhi is taken for granted at some places but for the sake of music it is sometimes used as a single word and some times as a two different words.
Eg: varada+abhaya = varadabhaya
analasala+antargata = analasalantargata
Using the same word for prasam (except for yamaka alankaram where the same word is used for a different meaning) is considered poor in the literature field. The word nayaka, sundara etc. has been used for the sake of prasam repeatedly in this kriti without any different sense to it.

OVK gives the adjectives srividyopasana bodhakara (in pallavi) and panchayatnaprapooja nayaka (in anupallavi) to ganesha which is not true. First of all, Ganesha is no where mentioned as srividyopasana bodhakara (i.e one wo preaches srividya). It is either hayagreeva/dakshinamurti/agasthya/lopamudra/manmatha/indra etc. depending on the srividya margam. For the second adjective, I have to explain what a panchayatana is. In a panchayatana, the main deity is kept in the middle where the diagonals of a square intersect and four other devatas are kept on four corners of the square. In srividya, ganesha is placed on a corner not in the center, i.e ganesha is not the nayaka(main deity) of the panchayatana. In charanam, ganesha has been praised as brindaraka sena nayaka (sena nayaka of the devas). Ganesha is the nayaka of ganas( gananayaka) never of brindarakas (devas). It is shaanmukha, he is the deva sena nayaka.

Also, note that the number of lines is 3 in pallavi which is odd both mathematically and literally. It is avartha bhangam. In other words, a stanza is not allowed to have odd number of lines. The same trend is followed in anu-pallavi and charanam by having 6 avartanams and 12 avartanams instead of 4 and 8 or 16.

There a few other bhangams also in this kriti which I'm not mentioning here ( this is already a lengthy post).

Quoting Valmiki here,
"Paada badhoksharah samaha,
tantri layasamanvitaha"

OVK who has saluted valmiki has not followed his words for sure.

Also, in the next posts, a complete analysis of the sahithya and sangeetha of inidvidual compositions of OVK would be given. This is just to understand and analyse OVK and his compositions but in no way to insult him.
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#71  Postby sampath » 08 May 2011 10:56

It is a fantastic post about OVK which has posted by shrikantham shastry sir. It would be great if the same kind of explanation about the chandhas and vyakarana of various compositions by various composers is discussed in this forum. This would help us understand and learn lot of information and get facts about great composers instead of blindly accepting some statements/rumours spread by a few.
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#72  Postby Pratyaksham Bala » 08 May 2011 11:25

srikanthamshastry wrote:Let me begin by restating the question of interest here: Is OVK a pre-trinity composer? I'm repeating the topic because most of the discussions going on was regarding the quality and quantity of work by OVK except for some prompt replies. If it is about the contribution of OVK to the karnataka music fraternity, no doubt, it is great ...

Read your own post!
Please follow your own direction! Stick to the topic.

As for the questions unanswered by you, please go through the posts. You will find several of them. Finding them may not be a difficult task.
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#73  Postby mannari » 08 May 2011 15:42

dear sirs, first of all I am honored by msakella's reply (#69 - msakella
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Dear mannari, Yes, what you wrote is absolutely true ...) Thats like getting Brahmarshi award from sage Vasishta !. coming in order, thanks for enna solven"s bright smile. A breaf gesture like that enlivens the things. I am aghast at Pratyaksham Bala's remarks on Sri Shasthri. I dont think Sri Shasthri has , at any stage, deviated from the topic. Instead he has got erratic reply from many for his simple question ( p s first 6 posts on this topic ). I am amazed again by his knowledge and analytical skills. I think sri Ravi kiran will be compelled to think if some of the krithis of OVK has been unwittingly written by some half=baked pots , ( atleast i am convinced earlier itself as in the case of spurious inclusions of krithis as that of great composers) out of sheer fanatic obsession over sri OVK. OR if sri OVK himself has written those, then it is obvious he is not at all on par with trinities or nowhere near air tight grammatical or lilting compositions of great composers . One can understand what Sri shasthri is saying on prasas if one glance at Sri MDikshithar's " maDHU muDHA moDHItha hruDHAye saDhAye ...... as in madhyama kaala sahithya of legendry Meenakshi Memudham in Poovi Kalyani or Sri Jayadeva's " LALIthaLAvngaLAthaaparisheeLAnakomaLAmaLAyasameere...or aLIkuLAsankuLA kuSUmaSamoohaniraakuLAbakuLAkaLAApe.. and karathaLAthaaLAtaraLAvaLAyaavaLIkaLIthakaLA..( a sample glimse of Geetha Govinda's- prathama sarga' ashtapadi 2 and 3).. Even our time greats like sri DVG gives classics like ' yuGA yuGadindaLI, jaGAke ninnoLAvina sobaGAni soosuthe naGutha nindiheyaa ? muGudanaaGI nolpanim sobaGIna keshavam muGIya dee sarasavu baGEvaradaare.. ( charana of sri DVG's VeenaPaani in Anthahpura Geethe. MS Subbulakshmi was aghast at his skill and even sang a song in Yedukulakamboji, which is on record )... ball is now set rolling !!!
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Re: Oothukkadu Venkata kavi - a pre trinity composer?

#74  Postby chitravina ravikiran » 08 May 2011 18:28

This post will deal with Sankeernam. It was stated that the jati was not mentioned till recent times.

However, a look at Poluri Govinda Kavi's Tala Dasha Prana Pradeepika (reputed to have been in late 1600s-early 1700s) work proves otherwise.

He mentions Sankeernam as 9, along with the other jatis.

This, coupled with the song mentioned in the Saraswati Mahal Library publication - clearly counters the original contention that this was a recent concept.

I have conclusively and point-wise answered all fresh queries raised in the post - sankeernam, navavarana schools included.

I have also addressed a few other questions, even though they are outdated, since answers have already been given to them in detail in my book and several subsequent articles.

I think we can all safely conclude that given the evidence we have - (a) family records, (b) external corraborations and (c) the brilliant works of Venkata Kavi himself, his accepted period cannot be off by more than a few decades, at the most.

Sincerely, Ravikiran
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Re: Oothukkadu Venkata kavi - a pre trinity composer?

#75  Postby Pratyaksham Bala » 08 May 2011 18:36

chitravina ravikiran:
Thanks a lot.
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